Curse

b0nkuz · Feb 19, 2011, 04:13 AM // 04:13

this seems like a good build. maybe for the optionals you should shove the extra points in water/fire/air magic and take a conjure. that would boost the damage but lose synergies with other things, like barbs and mop. if you dont want to use a scythe mod grenths fingers in the wind prayers line is a 30s conversion to water with no investment

also you could also just add reap impurities. shove withering aura on one of your nec heroes and it will always removes the weakness and will always trigger the bonus

byteme! · Feb 19, 2011, 07:32 AM // 07:32

arcane mimicry + another Derv with Avatar of Dwayna just for the lolz?

hirush · Feb 19, 2011, 07:51 AM // 07:51

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Originally Posted by byteme!

arcane mimicry + another Derv with Avatar of Dwayna just for the lolz?

arcane mimicry does not work on elite form, would be fun though.

reaper with no name · Feb 19, 2011, 08:27 AM // 08:27

Well, for today my build has stabilized around:

FGJ
AoHM
Pious Fury
Pious Renewal
Pious Assault
Irresistible Sweep
Wearying Strike
SY

shoyon456 · Feb 19, 2011, 08:35 AM // 08:35

I haven't gotten around to playing with all the flash enchantments of course, but it seems like their recharge times in general are indeed low enough and create a fast enough consistent dps output that Pious Renewal really isn't that great when compared with the numerous amazing other options that don't take up your elite.

reaper with no name · Feb 19, 2011, 08:42 AM // 08:42

The lowest non-elite ones I can find are on 6 seconds recharges (and cost 10 energy, to boot).

This build can get off 2 or even 3 triggers of AoHM (as well as whatever attack skills are being used) for every one that those other enchantments can get. And it will do so in fewer skill slots.

FoxBat · Feb 19, 2011, 09:27 AM // 09:27

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Originally Posted by Chthon

What's left is to plug the gaps in between PA. I'm not sure Irresistible Sweep and Eremite's Attack are the best choices. Some other things that come to mind are Wearying Strike, which is basically +100 so long as you only have to use it once per foe; Aura Slicer + Reap Impurities for more AoE fun; Twin Moon for doubling buffs (Orders, SoH, Barbs, etc); Radiant, for decent +dmg if the energy works well; and Victorious for decent +dmg on a quick recharge. Using some adr attacks should also clear up energy problems.
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If it's not a tear-down, it's really hard to justify Renewal as elite.
Hitting PA on recharge with two 6r enchants and any elite is too easy, this elite is for more dedicated abuse. I would throw out victorious sweep especially, just the AoHM proc does equal damage and the teardown side effects are generally better. Similarly radiant scythe, for 1 less adren you can be spamming deep wound with wearying and triggering 25 holy damage at the same time.

Avison · Feb 19, 2011, 11:58 AM // 11:58

I've been running numbers all day today and yesterday... I can't seem to get the kind of numbers we were seeing before.

So far I've fallen into this exact same build and can't really seem to find anything better. The new changes offer an easier dervish to play, but an overall less affective one. I'm having a hard time even reaching the specialized builds I used for hard mode missions. This update has quite literally murdered most dervish's livelyhood.

Eh, whatever. I'm still playing and only time will tell. But god I miss ascan.

EDIT: I think the adrenal based energy management brought by the update is quite a strong boon. I also like how we have stance removal. Ranger mobs are slightly easier now. But once again, only time will tell.

DiogoSilva · Feb 19, 2011, 01:42 PM // 13:42

A good alternative to this build is the Lyssa's avatar/ haste skills, which makes the 6sec recharge flashes into 3sec. That's two skills right there that also abuse AoHM, with energy drain or aoe rupting within. Not sure if overall it might be better or not, but it's awesome to see two kind of builds doing the same thing in their own unique way.

Bandwagon · Feb 19, 2011, 04:11 PM // 16:11

Hey guys, I posted a thread earlier, with a build with a similar feel, since I think no one will be replying to that thread I thought I might as well participate in this one.

This is my version of the build

14 SM
13 Myst

Pious Renewal
Pious Fury
Pious Assault
Twin Moon Sweep
AoHM
SY!
A-Scan (swapped out if there is no melee hate in the zone)
Irresistible Sweep

I use skills with Pious Renewal in the following priority:

AoHM upkeep > Pious Fury > Pious Assault > Twin Moon Sweep > Irresistible Sweep.

I run with Orders (since my vanqs usually consist of 2-3 physicals) so Twin Moon Sweep is practically always charged.

I think someone should submit the bare bones (the Pious skills + AoHM) template to PvX, this thing is a monster!

mega_automaton · Feb 19, 2011, 06:40 PM // 18:40

decided to try using it on my hero, they don't use pious fury ever

bichon · Feb 19, 2011, 07:40 PM // 19:40

How about demonic flesh? It could possibly double the damage output of AoHM.

Voodoo Rage · Feb 19, 2011, 11:45 PM // 23:45

Great build! I'm loving it so far.

reaper with no name · Feb 20, 2011, 05:15 AM // 05:15

So today, I was thinking "I've got one PvE skill left, and Irresistible Sweep isn't THAT good, so maybe I could replace that with a skill to buff the rest of my attacks?"

I Am The Strongest seems ideal. The +20 to multiple attacks, I think, would be better than the occasional Irresistible Sweep + AoHM trigger.

ensoriki · Feb 20, 2011, 05:19 AM // 05:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bandwagon

Hey guys, I posted a thread earlier, with a build with a similar feel, since I think no one will be replying to that thread I thought I might as well participate in this one.

This is my version of the build

14 SM
13 Myst

Pious Renewal
Pious Fury
Pious Assault
Twin Moon Sweep
AoHM
SY!
A-Scan (swapped out if there is no melee hate in the zone)
Irresistible Sweep

I use skills with Pious Renewal in the following priority:

AoHM upkeep > Pious Fury > Pious Assault > Twin Moon Sweep > Irresistible Sweep.

I run with Orders (since my vanqs usually consist of 2-3 physicals) so Twin Moon Sweep is practically always charged.

I think someone should submit the bare bones (the Pious skills + AoHM) template to PvX, this thing is a monster!

If thats all your running you might you could easily just add a conjure in there instead of a-scan.

reaper with no name · Feb 20, 2011, 05:47 AM // 05:47

A conjure would defeat the purpose of his build, because TMS requires Orders to be charged often enough to be worth taking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bandwagon

Hey guys, I posted a thread earlier, with a build with a similar feel, since I think no one will be replying to that thread I thought I might as well participate in this one.

This is my version of the build

14 SM
13 Myst

Pious Renewal
Pious Fury
Pious Assault
Twin Moon Sweep
AoHM
SY!
A-Scan (swapped out if there is no melee hate in the zone)
Irresistible Sweep

I use skills with Pious Renewal in the following priority:

AoHM upkeep > Pious Fury > Pious Assault > Twin Moon Sweep > Irresistible Sweep.

I run with Orders (since my vanqs usually consist of 2-3 physicals) so Twin Moon Sweep is practically always charged.

I think someone should submit the bare bones (the Pious skills + AoHM) template to PvX, this thing is a monster!

If you have Orders and FGJ, TMS beats PA (because it will always be charged), and PA is relegated to the backup role. Otherwise, however, TMS isn't consistently charged often enough, and honestly not really worth bringing.

That's the main difference between your build and mine. Yours is the "Orders Pious Spam" and mine is the "non-Orders Pious Spam".

But I think I'm going to bastardize most of your build for my own Orders Pious Spam:

FGJ
AoHM
PF
PR
PA (literally there only to charge up TMS)
TMS
I Am The Strongest
SY

Variant: Replace one of the last two skills with Wearying Strike

Chthon · Feb 20, 2011, 06:50 AM // 06:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by reaper with no name

So today, I was thinking "I've got one PvE skill left, and Irresistible Sweep isn't THAT good, so maybe I could replace that with a skill to buff the rest of my attacks?"

I Am The Strongest seems ideal. The +20 to multiple attacks, I think, would be better than the occasional Irresistible Sweep + AoHM trigger.

At max Norn, IATS does 160 damage / 20 seconds.

The +dmg on Irresistible Sweep is +28 assuming you PR it properly, and +48 to + 53 if you count the AoHM damage. Depending on rank, IR DPS catches up to IATS DPS at 3 or 4 hits per 20 sec. Even if you're not hitting multiple targets ever, you're probably using IR 3 or 4 times in 20 sec.

Only possible advantage of IATS is if that extra 20 damage spikes something out so you don't need to hit it again.

Xenomortis · Feb 20, 2011, 11:38 AM // 11:38

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

That's the main difference between your build and mine. Yours is the "Orders Pious Spam" and mine is the "non-Orders Pious Spam".

Let Strength of Honor be given.
Let Scythe Mastery be at 14.
Let scythe hit damage average around 20.
Then:
Pious Assault on a strip will do +19+29 bonus for a total hit of 20+20+19+29 = 88
Twin Moon Sweep will deal (20+20)x2 = 80.

Any further buff means TMS will outdo PA (Conjure or Orders, it doesn't matter). Splinter Weapon and IATS don't really count. At that point it becomes sensible to be depending on TMS over PA and taking Dark Fury (so no Conjure) and FGJ; if you don't have two damage buffs then it doesn't really matter, but bringing both is probably fine; TMS will outdamage Irresistible Sweep (68 damage compared to 80) at the cost of being adrenal.
Also I neglected to add in the effects of a Vamp mod - this essentially is a free +5 to TMS relative to every other attack.

IATS generally isn't worth it - the DPS gain is usually lower than an extra attack skill. Chthon's already shown that Irresistible Sweep is at least comparable and it can't be blocked and removes a stance.

If you are pushing for adrenaline gain, then Whirlwind Attack may or may not be worth it depending on the size of mobs being faced.

Neky · Feb 20, 2011, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

FGJ
AoHM
PF
PR
PA (literally there only to charge up TMS)
TMS
I Am The Strongest
SY

this kicks some serious butt! gogogo

Dennisss The Menace · Feb 20, 2011, 09:15 PM // 21:15

Thanks for posting this build, it really works good